Don't give the power to bureaucrats, the elected representatives of the people must make the rules. The funny thing is, they actually succeeded. It's probably worse in the US that can afford better tech tools. In other words, making it public was you granting them permission. You don't have to make a profit at the expense of others; you can also do so in benefitting them. 06, 2020. I'm all for it! You've only got the Orwellian Starter Kit, and you think it's "bad" already. I'm not saying it wasn't needed/ That's for everyone to debate. In a statement, Doug Mitchell, an attorney for Clearview AI, said the company’s technology is not currently available in Canada and it does not operate in Canada. The proposed C-11 would give the federal commissioner order-making powers. Constitutionally it follows from the right to be free from unreasonable searches, basically our equivalent of America's 4th amendment.Why should the cops be able to bypass the courts by contracting a private company? As I mentioned in my original post, anyone who actually worked with anyone in China can easily verify that crimes like robbery or pickpocket was a problem 15 years ago, and is now no longer. Otherwise they would lose one of the publicly valid reasons to have the surveillance, only leaving the authoritarian reasons. You don't punish someone because it is possible for their work to be misused. As I just passed through an airport on Sunday where I saw scanners from Clear, I thought at first this article was about them. No. Remote Tasmanian Island To Be Powered By 'Blowhole' Energy That Harnesses Waves, Malicious Chrome and Edge Add-Ons Had a Novel Way To Hide On 3 Million Devices. It is neither funny nor good, however, just obvious. In other words - don't punish the toolmaker, define how the tool can not be used. Clearview AI Violated Canadian Privacy Law, violated Canadian privacy laws by collecting photos of Canadians without their knowledge or consent, Submission: U.S. technology company Clearview AI violated Canadian privacy law: report, They Stormed the Capitol. While there is an exemption in PIPEDA for collecting personal data like pictures without consent in certain circumstances, he added, it is not surprising that the privacy commissioners found the exception didn’t apply to Clearview. It's not done for safety at all. The RCMP became a paying customer. Clearview AI offers facial recognition services for law enforcement and other organizations VANCOUVER (NEWS 1130) – A U.S. company is being slammed for what amounts to mass surveillance of Canadians, scraping billions of images of people from across the internet in what’s being called a clear violation … And hey, another big business profiting off the backs (well, faces) of everyone once again. “Clearview AI is a search engine that collects public data just as much larger companies do, including Google, which is permitted to operate in Canada,” Mitchell said Wednesday. As the old adage says, "it's impossible to convince a man of something that will cost him his livelihood. Clearview AI's technology allows for the collection of huge numbers of images from various sources that can help police forces, financial institutions and … I can be reached at hsolomon [@] soloreporter.com, Cogeco's plan to reduce emissions from operations by 65% gets nod from STBi, A SURVIVAL GUIDE BY CLAUDIO SILVESTRI, VICE-PRESIDENT AND CIO, NAV CANADA, Canada’s Top Women in Fintech/Blockchain, Clearview AI violated privacy rights of Canadians with facial recognition tech, say privacy commissioners. And all it cost was an automated system of social ranking where if a computer sees you too close to someone they don't like you go on a list preventing you from having a job or buying a bus pass. The joint investigation by the Office of the Privacy Commissioner of Canada, the Commission d’accès à l’information du Québec, the Office of the Information and Privacy Commissioner for British Columbia and the Office of the Information and Privacy Commissioner of Alberta concluded that the New-York-based technology company violated federal and provincial privacy laws. A total of 48 law enforcement and other organizations across the country used the application for a time. Despite opposition from privacy advocates to facial recognition, privacy commissioners around the world aren’t opposed to the idea of the technology. However, it could probably be countered that they profited from the use of those images, so claims for copyright infringement might stick. Jul. If someone posts a movie to Facebook or YouTube, does that mean I'm free to use it? sinij shares a report from CBC.ca: American technology firm Clearview AI violated Canadian privacy laws by collecting photos of Canadians without their knowledge or consent, an investigation by four of Canada's privacy commissioners has found.The report found that Clearview's technology created a significant risk to individuals … That, he acknowledged, creates a problem in asking that the images of Canadians be removed. 11 This commercial purpose was not appropriate, reasonable or legitimate for "the mass identification and surveillance of individuals" facilitated by Clearview's technology. London, UK, is really bad. Guidelines for consultation are expected to be released in the spring. According to the report, one objection raised by Clearview AI is that none of the privacy commissioners had jurisdiction to investigate the company because, as a U.S.-based firm, it doesn’t have a clear connection here. “The Clearview investigation shows that across Canada we need to be discussing acceptable uses and regulation of facial recognition. dillac Fairview collected 5 million shoppers’ images without proper consent, Cybersecurity Conversations with your Board – A Survival Guide. Clearview cannot be held responsible for offering services to law enforcement or any other entity that subsequently makes an error in its assessment of the person being investigated. This comment is so hilarious in the current climate of "everything China does is wrong and US will do the opposite" sentiment pervasive in the US. Photo by Clearview handout Article content ... where mass surveillance in the name of 'safety' is just par for the course. The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. "Watchlisting as a service" and a "full range of biometric surveillance". Star Exclusive. The company has developed technology that can match faces to a database of more than three billion images indexed from the Internet, including … Copyright © 2021 SlashdotMedia. Seems like they would have also violated copyright laws in the wholesale downloading, storing and processing of images. Clearview AI is a search engine that collects public data just as much larger companies do, including Google, which is permitted to operate in Canada.”. This discussion has been archived. No new comments can be posted. “Should Clearview maintain its refusal, the four authorities will pursue other actions available under their respective Acts to bring Clearview into compliance with Canadian laws,” the commissioners concluded. North Korea doesn't have mobs of violent racists trying to break into the capital to murder the elected government. It isn't monitoring or active observation, it's just pictures of the past. The privacy authorities recommended that Clearview stop offering its facial recognition services to Canadian clients; stop collecting images of individuals in Canada; and delete all previously collected images and biometric facial arrays of individuals in Canada. Or were you just unaware of the fact that these commissions are just a farce setup by politicians who don't actually want to do anything, they just want to make it look like they're doing something? Daily Times. Furthermore, Clearview publicly declared Canada to be part of its core market in statements to the media.”, In a statement Diane Poitras, President of the Commission d’accès à l’information du Québec, said that “Clearview’s massive collection of millions of images without the consent or knowledge of individuals for the purpose of marketing facial recognition services does not comply with Quebec’s privacy or biometric legislation. When there is no freedom, there is great safety. Yet, I really don't understand modern views on proportionality. North Korea has the kind of stability and security that US politicians, law enforcement, and social planners can only dream of. All Rights Reserved. Clearview AI told the four commissioners it “would be willing to take steps, on a best efforts and without prejudice basis, to try to limit the collection and distribution of the images that it is able to identify as Canadian.”. The database, which is marketed to private companies and U.S. law enforcement, contains over 3 billion images gathered from websites and social media. Well, ideally they'd bring charges so that due process would happen and the big problem seems to be selling the data to the police so they can bypass the courts oversight.It's true that due to lack of presence in Canada, we can't do much, though we could play American and bust any of their executives who happen to stop in Canada. The report highlights the inability of the federal privacy commissioner to order Clearview AI to remove the images. Four of Canada’s privacy commissioners have denounced the controversial facial recognition company Clearview AI. Why do you think that if something is publicly available, that you can do what you want with it?I note that Americans got upset about lists of gun owners being published and in America, if you find some copyrighted material on the. I find privacy just weird as a Canadian.Do I want the government or anyone performing mass surveillance? I mean, most businesses would insist that this is what they do, including Clearview, but many are simply lying, and many others have been overcome by cognitive dissonance. “They were particularly concerned that the organization did not recognize that the mass collection of biometric information from billions of people, without express consent, violated the reasonable expectation of privacy of individuals and that the company was of the view that its business interests outweighed privacy rights,” the commissioners said. They probably have a point there, too. And that is probably the point of this "action". Currently a freelance writer, I'm the former editor of ITWorldCanada.com and Computing Canada. Check out the new BlockFi credit card that offers 1.5% Bitcoin rewards on all purchases! On the applicability of Canadian laws, the commissioners noted that Clearview AI collected the images of an unknown number of Canadians and actively marketed its services to law enforcement agencies in Canada. Doesn't mean someone hasn't though and I still own the rights to my image. Besides, if you read the article you'll see that the company has a pretty good argument - "Clearview AI's technology is not available in Canada and it does not operate in Can. Separately, the federal commissioner’s office, along with provincial counterparts, are developing guidance for law enforcement agencies on the use of facial recognition technologies. The funny part is the US is putting up tons of cameras with little to show in terms of crime rate reduction, the crime rate was basically flat since 2000, and it is almost 10x that of China (4.96 vs 0.53). They also allege that obtaining photos from public sources isn't surveillance or a privacy issue. Regulation would not only assist in upholding privacy rights, it would provide much-needed certainty to all organizations thinking about using or developing the technology.”, “Our investigation reveals the vast amount of personal information collected without people’s knowledge or consent,” said McEvoy.  “It is unacceptable and deeply troubling that a company would create a giant database of our biometric data and sell it for profit without recognizing its invasive nature. The full report notes that in disagreeing with the findings, Clearview alleged an absence of harm to individuals connected to its activities. In a news release, they stated Clearview AI’s technology allowed law enforcement and commercial organizations to match photographs of unknown people against the company’s databank of more than three billion images., These images included adults and children for investigation purposes without their knowledge or consent. Parliamentarians reviewing [the proposed] Bill C-11 may wish to send a clear message, through that bill, that where there is a conflict between commercial objectives and privacy protection, Canadians’ privacy rights should prevail.”. They could be used to facilitate surveillance, but that's not the same thing. Consent was not required because the information was publicly available. Amazon is using AI-equipped cameras in delivery vans and some drivers are concerned about privacy (CNBC) The cameras record drivers “100% of the time” while they’re on their route and flag a series of safety infractions, including failure to stop at a stop sign, speeding and distracted driving. However, it does have consequences for potential customers located in or otherwise subject to Canadian law. If you are feeling chivalrous during a ship's sinking, no more worrying about which pronouns an imminent victim uses! Is recognizing someone from a photo somehow a form of "mass surveillance"? I wonder how that company will do if travel numbers stay this low much longer? Seriously, it's 100% profit-driven. In what way is looking at public photos "mass surveillance"? It sickens you that a panel of bureaucrats can't supplant due process and punish people it alone decides are guilty of breaking the law? Trademarks property of their respective owners. Is that the one and only purpose of Clearview's work, or are you saying hammers should be banned because they can be misused to commit murder? What the hell is the point if all they can do is raise a flag that bad stuff is going on but not stop said bad stuff? People have only taken issue with people making a profit at the expense of others. Instead, the Commissioners found that Clearview's "real purpose" for the collection is a commercial for-profit enterprise and not law enforcement. Do you also accuse anyone who got a better score than you school that they cheated? There's a camera on every corner. Around 15+ years ago, if your company has an office in China, it was so easy to hea. Clearview AI has rejected recommendations to stop collecting images of people in Canada and delete previously collected biometric details of individuals. China put cameras in all train/subway stations, airports, public areas, etc, and all the robbery/pick pocket/etc so common 10-20 years ago were ALL GONE. However, the commissioners say Clearview disagreed with the findings of the investigation and “did not demonstrate a willingness to follow the other recommendations. Given the significant potential benefit of Clearview’s services to law enforcement and national security and the fact that significant harm is unlikely to occur for individuals, the balancing of privacy rights and Clearview’s business needs favoured the company’s entirely appropriate purposes. The funny thing is, they actually succeeded. The company maintains that the public information it collects from the internet “is explicitly permitted under PIPEDA.”, “The Federal Court of Appeal has previously ruled in the privacy context that publicly available information means exactly what it says: “available or accessible by the citizenry at large,”, he said.  “There is no reason to apply a different standard here. Safety and freedom are diametrically opposed. Clearview AI’s technology allows for the collection of huge numbers of images from various sources that can help police forces, financial institutions and … "Canadians and children first!". It is easy to have tons of "safety" by monitoring and policing and suppressing everything everyone does. the commissioners said in a report issued this morning. Ah, to be clear, Americans probably didn't have a damn clue when they clicked "I Agree" on the EULA for this. You might not have told them they could sell copies of it, but you did say they can look at it. Because you told the entire world they could when you posted it on Facebook. https://www.macrotrends.net/co... [macrotrends.net], One excuse was that the US police cannot (by law) to use camera footages to catch criminals (which begs the question of what the cameras were for), furthermore that excuse is not untenable thanks to the 06Jan riots where there was suddenly no problem with using any availabl. There were prior precedents in which Canadian courts and the office of the privacy commissioner applied our privacy law extraterritorially using what is called the substantial connection test, he said. Catch up on stories from the past week (and beyond) at the Slashdot story archive. Without JavaScript enabled, you might want to turn on Classic Discussion System in your preferences instead. Don't be so hard on USA, North Korea also doing it. The commissioners also note that Facebook, Google, Twitter, YouTube and LinkedIn have filed letters with Clearview AI demanding it stop scraping images from their sites. Commissioners found that this creates the risk of significant harm to individuals, the vast majority of whom have never been and will never be implicated in a crime. The just course of action is to apply specific rules prohibiting specific forms of misuse. The commissioners disagreed, noting “it actively marketed its services to Canadian organizations through promotional material, testimonials from Canadian law enforcement professionals, and agency-specific presentations and trials. I believe we also hold the rights to our images. Clearview AI is an American technology company that provides facial recognition software, which is used by private companies, law enforcement agencies, universities and individuals. But here's the, We as a country have decided that privacy is an important right. ". Especially if they actually distribute the photos to anyone.). Clearview AI scrapes photos from websites to create a searchable database of biometric profiles. Only one per corner? We are not responsible for them in any way. Lying about what they posted just means the biggest asshole is you. It's not a zero sum game. Individuals who placed or permitted their images to be placed on websites that were scraped did not have substantial privacy concerns justifying an infringement of the company’s freedom of expression. Clearview AI says its right to scrape data is lawful under the U.S. Constitution’s freedom of speech provision. Oh, and once again, to their general detriment. There's nothing inherently wrong with that, just make rules that restrict the ability to do so and say that a computer match alone is not sufficient to arrest someone. The resolution says organizations should ensure that facial recognition technology cannot be used where the purpose can reasonably be achieved by less intrusive means. However, the resolution also asserts that facial recognition can erode data protection, privacy and human rights because it is highly intrusive. There are, however, other potential issues with doing that. I tried that, but the van driver and the security guard got upset. They made it public. Comments owned by the poster. If you don't want businesses tracking people, say that. The reason for this is called "empathy" which is something that people like you always are always in short supply. If you don't want cops to be able to track people as they move around, say that. The current privacy law that covers commercial firms, the Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act (PIPEDA), doesn’t give Therrien order-making powers. Canadian privacy laws do not apply to its activities because the company does not have a “real and substantial connection” to Canada. ", consider.it is not machines that are at fault.it is not businesses that are at fault.it is people.follow the money. Soon coming to a former democracy you used to call your country. That, they say, is a violation of their terms of service with users. Real time defamation. However, he can go to the Federal Court to get a compliance order, and Therrien told reporters he’s considering that. Used to sit outside the drive in and watch movies too, since I could see it in public, I guess I could have made a copy. Clearview AI is a search engine that collects public data just as much larger companies do, including Google, which is permitted to operate in Canada.” The company is estimated to have scraped some three billion images from public-facing websites and social media profiles to build the face-matching service that is widely … For a small fee, you too can violate the constitutional rights of any individual you wish to target. “In our view, Clearview’s position fails to acknowledge: (i) the myriad of instances where false, or misapplied matches could result in reputational damage, and (ii) more fundamentally, the affront to individuals’ privacy rights and broad-based harm inflicted on all members of society, who find themselves under continual mass surveillance by Clearview based on its indiscriminate scraping and processing of their facial images.”, At a news conference, Therrien said because the company scraped images across the internet, not even it knows how many in its database of 3 billion images are Canadians. May I ask: where are you at with Google, Microsoft, Amazon Facebook, Akamai and CloudFlare? New York-based Clearview AI’s practice of vacuuming up millions of images of Canadians and offering facial recognition services for customers constituted illegal “mass surveillance,” according to a probe by four privacy commissioners.. It must feel good to say anyone else must have cheated to best you, it makes you feel invincible and no need to do any better. It stopped offering trial accounts to Canadian organizations and discontinued services to its only remaining Canadian subscriber, the RCMP, in July 2020. Don't tell Clearview they can't look at public photos, define the limits on how the trained systems can be used. Technology company Clearview AI engaged in mass surveillance when it scraped billions of internet images of people, Canadian privacy commissioners said Wednesday (February 3). Eeew! But Clearview’s scraping of billions of images of Canadians from across the internet represented mass surveillance and was a clear violation of their privacy rights, the commissioners said in a report issued this morning. No doubt they'll claim that "it was publicly available, so it's all fair [for any] use [,man!]". However, the company rejected the commissioners' recommendations to stop collecting images of people in Canada and delete previously collected images and biometric details. Why should Clearview be able to monetize my image without my permission? It is easy to have tons of "safety" by monitoring and policing and suppressing everything everyone does. Our handling of Covid really twists my brain in knots. The results of our work also point to the need to strengthen our privacy laws to properly protect the public.”. But who's counting anyhow? (Copyright, perhaps? Canada doesn't have fair use, instead we have fair dealing, similar but different. But maybe you want to have the option for law enforcement to have help identifying someone who is on video committing a crime. The commissioners’ position was best reflected by a statement to reporters by B.C information and privacy commissioner Michael McEvoy, who said “when I put my information on Facebook or some other platform I do it for a particular purpose, and what happens here is these companies have disregarded that purpose and without authority have taken that information” for a commercial application. 12 Clearview… on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @09:08PM (, on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @09:50PM (, on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @10:21PM (. ... where mass surveillance in the name of 'safety' is just par for the course. Yet the company continues to claim its purposes were appropriate, citing the requirement under federal privacy law that its business needs be balanced against privacy rights. Shortly after the investigation began, Clearview agreed to stop providing its services in Canada. In October 2020, global privacy commissioners passed a resolution acknowledging it can benefit security and public safety. I've never posted my image anywhere on the internet. In addition, the report noted that Clearview collected, used and disclosed Canadians’ personal information for inappropriate purposes, which cannot be rendered appropriate via consent. Meanwhile, the Office of the Privacy Commissioner of Canada’s investigation into the RCMP’s use of Clearview AI’s facial recognition technology continues. Always leave room to add an explanation if it doesn't work out. And do so through the legislative process. First off, scraping public websites for photos is not "surveillance". Its company who deployed it that did that. When presented with the investigative findings, Clearview argued that: The four commissioners rejected these arguments. Before that I was a staff reporter at the Calgary Herald and the Brampton (Ont.) Since Kashmir began reporting on Clearview AI, several major social media companies including Facebook, Twitter and Venmo have demanded that the company stop using photos scraped from their websites. That is an injustice. Facial recognition tech startup Clearview AI scraped billions of images of people from across the Internet, which according to Canada, represented mass surveillance and was a clear violation of the privacy rights … >"You know which country is huge on mass surveillance in the name of safety? Canada’s privacy watchdog has found Clearview AI in “clear violation” of the country’s privacy laws, and has told the facial-recognition startup to stop scraping images of Canadians and delete all … lol.i am thinking that the user for the money would also be attentive. The stance taken by Clearview that it is in compliance with the laws that apply to it underscores the need for greater oversight of the use of this technology as well as providing regulatory authorities with additional tools of deterrence like those proposed in [Quebec’s] Bill 64.”, Jill Clayton, Information and Privacy Commissioner of Alberta, said that as the use of facial recognition technology expands, significant issues around accuracy, automated decision making, proportionality and ethics persist. If you think someone is an asshole, say so. You know which country is huge on mass surveillance in the name of safety? The software firm has been used by law enforcement agencies around the world – including Toronto – allowing them to follow up on potential suspects with Clearview’s massive profile database. The government of Canada is willing to do all kinds of emergency measures including curfews, shutting down society, preventing you from seeing friends and family... all massive violations of personal freedom. The commissioners also note that Facebook, Google, Twitter, YouTube and LinkedIn have filed letters with Clearview AI demanding it stop scraping images from their sites. Then again, of course they would report that it works. China. I would rather be a little unsafe and have freedom, especially when I am empowered to defend myself... yet another freedom. The claimant submitted a complaint to the Hamburg DPA after discovering that Clearview AI … Sickens me to read that the Canadian privacy commissioners can't do squat to punish companies who do this. There may be more comments in this discussion. FTFS: "...including Canadians and children." The three provincial privacy commissioners do have order-making powers, and all three told reporters they are considering their options. Sure, don't believe me, don't go out to look for facts and continue to enjoy living in your bubble. Great idea, going after Clearview. An IT journalist since 1997, I've written for several of ITWC's sister publications including ITBusiness.ca and Computer Dealer News. The move included the indefinite suspension of Clearview AI's contract with the RCMP, its last remaining client in Canada. Clearview AI to pull out of Canada and stop working with RCMP amid privacy investigation. I went through the regular TSA line (without even TSA precheck) in the same amount of time as the passengers with Clear. It also enables widespread surveillance that can produce inaccurate results. To be fair however most of them have no intention of complying with whatever they agreed to so they got that going for them, which is nice. Nobody has ever taken issue with people making a profit. That's a misuse of moderation. In an email, privacy lawyer Barry Sookman of the McCarthy Tetrault law firm said the report’s conclusions aren’t suprising. The joint federal, B.C., Alberta and Quebec investigation released Wednesday found that Clearview … What Happens If the US Does Absolutely Nothing To Combat COVID-19. Clearview asserts that they are not bound by Canadian law because they don't have "substantial connections" to Canada. China. “What Clearview does is mass surveillance and it is illegal,” federal privacy commissioner Daniel Therrien wrote.  “It is completely unacceptable for millions of people who will never be implicated in any crime to find themselves continually in a police lineup. Are we allowed to say icky words like that in our comments!?! 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